Hey there. Hey, Megan. How's it going? It's good as hell Wednesday. And I don't actually look for one. Don't have plans or anyting. You have all of me today, love you, you know, we got all this. We have had a few messages and emails that comment about how we randomly burst into song and he loved us. Well, the thing is, is that I had not noticed. How often me do that? I feel like it's just, it's just normal. Yeah, that will frequently come around the corner with no music playing, but I think it's funny cuz I've never thought about that not being normal.
But yeah, now we're here doing up on Calhoun the podcast. So I am doing a
We're going to we're going to classify. This is a murder case. Although I'll tell you like the story, I thought I was telling today is not exactly the store yet. I ended up with. Yeah so on my last episode of those mine or yours but Elizabeth Bathory came up. Yeah. And I was like I'm going to do that. Why do I love that store? Ali, the live the battery and I really love her story so I was like that's what I'm going to cover this week and I am covering that but there is so much more to it than I had realized. So I'm excited. I can't wait cuz I yeah I love this time but I don't think you know, but you have no idea. Tell me three you go first The Blood Countess. So let's just start there. So if you've ever heard of Elizabeth Bathory, you probably know her as the boy
It's rumored that she's the inspiration behind Bram. Stoker's Dracula people call her the very first vampire in the Guinness Book of World Records even named her, the most prolific, female murderer. And I remember reading about her years and years ago. And the main thing that stuck in my head about her is that she bathed in the blood of virgins to maintain like her beauty and her youth. Apparently, she was so hot.
Snow White and the Huntsman. Oh yeah, do, evil queen. But apparently she was so hot. They needed like a supernatural explanation for it. I mean, you know how that it like, we get that all the time and Cara. Yeah, they are too hot for whatever. God has a Baton Rouge to be, awesome. All of us, and you guys, and everybody can wear t-shirts that say body of a goddess, a freaking brilliant. Trademark,
Here's the thing about Elizabeth Bathory. I'm going to tell you what we know for sure. And then I'm going to tell you what we know the legend guess. Yeah, okay, so let's bet the battery was born in Hungary in August, on August, 7th of 1560, which I think is the same birthday as one of my best friends, Becky Sila, Becky you and Elizabeth Bathory 1560. She was born fancy. She was related to the king of Poland and the prince of Trance to listen to Reba, was thinking about you and the prince of Transylvania, and as often was the case among nobility, even though nobody really likes to talk about this, she was a product of inbreeding, you know, if I could only sleep with other noble people, to, of course, you end up with a lot of Indian wedding even in the British royal family.
This is why she had a lot of health issues as a kid and okay. And they talked about and some of the legends about her, they're like, well, because of her inbreeding, and it was like the 1,500 in the Medical Treatments involved. Her bathing in blood or whatever, which just plays into the legend. Yeah. And there's not a lot of Records about her childhood, so we don't know if any of that street is part of the lore around her. Yes. So basically, the point is, she's really wealthy and she had a really privileged life. She was betrothed to account with a name. That is amazing. He's a count and he has a name. His name is we're going to go with furry like Frank but foreign right?
About 100% for sure. How you say that? Anytime you need that name to come up, just tell me that.
I think I'll go ahead and he was of lower social standing, but his family was incredibly wealthy. So when I got married, he took her last name which I assume was because of the lower social standing. So by taking her name and moved him up,
When they got married, it said his wedding gift to her was his castle which I was like, but I mean you just got married, like, isn't that yours? And what's yours is? I mean, I don't know, maybe it was different back then or different and hungry, but I would assume that it wasn't a wedding gift. It was just a lot of their marriage. My castle to. It's like when people are like we need a new washing machine. So, honey now that's your birthday gift and it's like that's not a birthday gift and I don't find me vacuum. Smith gave birth to at least five children, at least we're not. Real sure, two of them died in infancy but a son and two daughters survived to adulthood
I know absolutely nothing more about them. It's weird how I know nothing more about their never mentioned. Again, I was surprised to read that she even had children cuz I've never heard anything said about them but anyway, she had them and they lived somewhere else I guess eventually.
For rent, in Hungarian troops, got sent to war this less Elizabeth to manage the Family Estate. Take care of her husband's business and you govern the local people of the area. So, it's almost things I think like in, you know, like willing Lord of the Rings like where there's like the big castle and look at people that are hiring now. Finally, watch the lord of the real two of them have never seen the third one, but I'm gonna, I'm gonna but anyway, so that they'd just say she like takes care of the village around the castle is like her responsibility, all of that. I told you that is true. We can pretty much back all that up with the records are like. Nobody's arguing people generally agree on it so here's with a legend stuff. Starts it gets weird if this was everything. Okay? Yes, okay, so this is Vanilla Sky. This is the part where the sky would turn a weird color and nobody would notice until the end. Yes. If I've just run that maybe for you, it came out like 20 years ago, so don't be angry.
1602 people started noticing that young peasant, girls in the area were disappearing. They realize that a lot of these were young girls who had sought employment at the castle. At that point, it seems like it was just Whispers around the village, not everything major, but then is 1604 for Runk faster way. And at that, according at that point, according to the legend things really kicked up a notch and buy things. I mean, like the terrifying stories at Elizabeth's, murderous insane Behavior, there are all sorts of stories about what Elizabeth did to her victims. Many of, which were poor young girls. Who'd been lured to the castle, by the promise of work, but some of the victims were also girls, who have been sent there for their education, or just girls that Elizabeth, or her servants had just outright kidnaps, like they had no reason to go to the castle but they ended up dead, okay? Those were more rare.
It seemed like for the most part, the victims were young and poor. Not the kind of victims that caused a big up for price of here right now. Cuz who cares about the poor people because she was wealthy and a countess. Nobody really did anything for a while. A Lutheran Minister and Minister made public complaints about her, but it took until 1610. So this is six years after the stuff was like really out there. If you were really talking about, I took six years for the king to actually address the issue. He assigned to notaries to collect evidence against her hundreds of testimonies were collected. And what those testimonies revealed was
Dunning Dunning much like your face, okay, about to list a bunch of the things that Elizabeth supposedly did to her victims. Okay? A lot of it was backed up by witness accounts, trigger warning, for just like everything, like, every awful thing I can imagine, so just skip ahead of it if you don't want me to completely ruin your day right now, according to reports, Elizabeth Bathory burned her servants. Cuz most of the victims were servants, burned her servants, with Hot Irons and beat them to death. With clubs stuck needles, under their fingers, had them stripped naked and stand-in tubs of ice water outside until they froze to death and they said that has a water leak, came up to their necks, put them outside and tie them down and cover them and honey so that the bugs would Feast on their Exposed Skin and Stitch their lips together. Bit chunks of Flesh off their breasts and faces.
Used scissors to. I wish you could stay here so they can use scissors to cut off their hands and noses. And is it and a slice? Open the skin between their fingers. I know that's one unfortunate. Girl, was even forced to cook and eat her own flesh. They said she would do that. A lot like Quest from like their buttocks. I guess. It's like I need to take it without killing somebody. They have to cook their own flesh and eat it or make sausages. But she would prefer flexor two guests which is only thinks you heard about that Sweeney, Todd meat pies. She kept her servants chained up every night. So tight that their hands turned blue and they did blood beat servants to the point that there was so much blood on the walls and the beds that they had to use ashes and Cinders to soak it up like pure blood.
For her back and she's feeding them and torturing them. You would think that it would like painted, I don't know. Anyways, continue strangled a servant to death with a silk scarf, used, needles knives, candles and her own teeth to lacerate servants. Genitals. And if they got thirsty, I'm not laughing at that. No, but I'm like you cuz I didn't want to talk about that but okay, you don't have real sharp teeth.
And then you're going to get like all the germs and bacteria from the mouth and then you're going to have like seven game, green beans.
Can't believe that sell lifted here. I didn't see any of the articles I read.
Okay, she kept her meeting for a week at a time if they got thirsty She Made Them drink their own urine. It's also said that you cast a magic spell to summon a cloud filled with nandi, cats to torment her. Enemy has such a random occurrences with him, just like a torture and apparently that's the scariest thing on cats. But like spiders or something like that, cats can a scorpion spider. The spider cricket thing. Will God stuffed five servants corpses underneath the bed and can continue to feed them as if they were still alive. Buried them in gardens grain, pits Orchards, and occasionally cemeteries sometimes with writes often without she was also accused of cannibalism, of course, and some witnesses said they had
Personally watched her having sex with the Devil Himself, did he come out of a cloud to have sex with somebody and she's like yeah that's the devil. Yeah. Or was it just a completely made up whole call to know? So yeah, like who and of course, the most famous accusation is that she regularly bathed in the blood of her victims on December, 29th, 1610 to. This is six years. After all of these stories really picked up right? Count Thursday. So I'm going to skip over his name. Altogether arrived at batteries, Castle to investigate the count and Countess has to investigate the alleged Crimes of the Countess against women of noble birth. The women had the girls who come to town for Education, okay? That was why they got involved because when it was just like, oh she's just killing for Servant girls, we don't care, that is in Beady, but if you're going to kill girls of noble blood and then we're going to do something about it.
Those are scarce these days and we're really struggling to find mates for the others, right? There's already enough inbreeding that's already on that Thursday. So surprised battery in the middle of tormenting a victim and he immediately, imprisoned her in her home, since she was wealthy, she would not be jailed which is amazing, right? Like you're torturing me, all the stuff she was accused of, I don't think he was a very good person and Eagles all touchy the keys. They're like, yeah, but you are rich so many your fancy, imma keep, you know, the town alive with your funds brightline.
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So all that. But I'm just said, it's like the legend parts right now we're going to go to, she was charged with the death of 80 girls-only 80. Yes, one witness said, what was Elizabeth captain book that this witness claimed to have seen where she'd record of the names of all of her victims 650 and total. Now this diary has never been found so we can't really be sure that it ever existed. You want to go to Hungry that Guinness used to give her that world record. So they're saying like, yeah, we're 600tvl. So she is the most murderous female writer.
Again because she was fancy. It was decided the battery herself. Wouldn't be put on trial, they thought like a public trial and execution would it be too much of a spectacle for a rich person for of batteries? Batteries were arrested questioned and subject to torture their Court. Proceedings began early, I work way with court proceedings. Begin early in January 1611 and the servants did neither culpability in the murders, but admitted to burying multiple victims for the number in their accounts, varied between 36 and 51.
When the trial ended batteries accomplices. One of whom had work is a wet nurse for the countess's children were convicted of Witchcraft and sentenced to death. The female, accomplice has had their fingers turn off before being tossed into a fire and burned alive the male, accomplice was decapitated and then tossed into a fire. So he was burned, but not burned alive. I don't know why. So did they think if they were vampires and that's why they're burning them, I think it's cuz I thought they were witches or it was witchcraft but maybe all of the above. Yeah, she herself was bricked up in her room. Fire camp has slits for like a parent food so they bricked her up inside her room inside her castle. And then she stayed there under house arrest for four years until her death in 1614 at the age of 54 because Elizabeth had never gone to trial and never actually been convicted of a crime. All Herbalife.
Kings. And land Holdings were passed down to her family members rather than like, see you. At the time. She was buried in the Crypt on her state, but her body was likely moved afterward, it's not there. So it's like, where's our body?
What kind of things like, what sort of insanity do you think people would have done? You know what I mean? Like, for this spell, we need the body of a monster. So let's talk a little bit about the problems with the legend of The Blood Countess. First off the bathing and blood thing probably never happened. It didn't become part of the lore surrounding Elizabeth Bathory until over a hundred years after she died. I don't see how it could have happened. Now, that we're like talking about all the things that she did to her victims the right to fit enough blood to drain. Yeah, she froze to death but one of the articles I read I think it's when I would have liked her own embalming space, I don't know. There's one rumor that her husband had a torture chamber. Added to the castle for his wife, but I'm also like that seems so I don't even really that's as much as I'm saying about it.
The other thing is the very last article I read. So it'll be last in a list of sources and I wish I could tell you more about it but it's not in my head right now but it's the best article, it's my favorite of all of them cuz it's just the writers grade. But she talked about how she's like the cause of like blood coagulation have been able to do that, it wouldn't work. So it also was part of the war of the body's deceased before people's added that to the story and there's no witness accounts from her trial or testimony against her that reference basa blood. Okay. So if you look at the witness testimonies, there's all these other things but never that. Why would I leave that out? So it probably never happened. There are plenty of other things on the list, right? But of 289, witness accounts more than 250 offered either hearsay or no information whatsoever ever.
I was just like, well, I'ma didn't see it, but I heard about it. Someone said that. Right? Could have, yeah, the official who supposedly seen a diary, with 650 names of victims that person didn't actually tested by himself, but it was just other people know, and so direct knowledge of anything. Yeah. Many of the witnesses who spoke against Bathory we're beholden to Thursday or the investigator, so it could be that they felt pressured by him. Like you need a backup. My day come up with information for this and it's important to note that the confession of the servants. Only came after some intense torture sessions so they might have only can sit confessed to like right off the torture and you might be thinking but why Megan why would they do that? Why would they care to just make all this happen, not just cast a spell. So historians say that the thing about it is Elizabeth Bathory own strategically important land that increased her family's already has it at her castle.
What's his name? Will he passed away in 16 /, 18 left, and right? It'll be hers. So that was the land. So after he died like she's black, she's as intelligent powerful woman, she's ruling alone, with no man, her side and her family was already really wealthy to the point that they were so wealthy. That it made the king uncomfortable, like he was like intimidated by everything. She's doing. That was the king that was so now look, she's alive the counts, dad gets the king is over here like hating her because she's too smart to be much land. Is just going to get more more powerful. I'll talk about it later but she doesn't seem very nice person so that so the theory is that because of all these things, the King was on a mission to discredit and ruin her.
It turns out what it, turns out, that King Matthias II. Hose batteries late, husband, a sizable debt, and even after her husband died, it would mean that he owed her. This debt Matthias is the key. So he's like I'm not going to pay the sermon anyting and historians say that that probably fueled his move to like incriminate her and also could be why she never got a chance to defend herself yet or the king called for the death penalty before batteries family could intervene on her behalf. And this too may have been politically motivated as the death penalty met. The king could seize her land, however, since it was ultimately decided, there'd be no trial. There wasn't a death penalty. So the land stayed with her and then later her family. There's some evidence that throws the investigator had a bit of a personal Vendetta against Elizabeth or at least her family. And it could have just been because of his loyalty to the king.
You could still all go back to the king. Does not like this powerful, super wealthy woman yet, so but it seems like there's some letters that are written by throws wife and in those letters, there's some talk that you can tell he's been working for years to sort of, come up with a way to bring her down. So back then, apparently, the only way to get rid of someone like Bathory who had just disappear, like a deep and trenched generations, long power was to catch her committing horrific act red-handed, so that could be why they added that part of the story that were like, yeah. When he showed up at her castle she was right there in the middle of killing somebody, right. Then, you know, so they never had a trial for Elizabeth
Rumor that there were reversing in Owosso thought, you guys should be real happy, so they never had a trial for Elizabeth even of the king wanted one. And he probably wanted one so that they could do. The definitely think of you get her lands. Are they probably also the reason why I nobody else was pushing for one is probably cuz they could tell it wasn't going to hold up. Even back then. At the time, they were people saying this case doesn't really hold us. There's way too many other say, nobody can really Trace back to who actually saw anything happened to Elizabeth. Never got to speak in her defense and her family. Records were mostly destroyed still. There were numerous bodies of dead and dying girls found around the castle it like they did. Find them buried in the garden right? You don't even like that. Part is like hard evidence. We know that's true but she may not have been the murderous monster history has made her out to be. It's pretty clear. She was not like a warm fuzzy.
Kind of person. She was not enough of us. She was definitely not to be fair. She kind of had to be a little scary like her husband was gone and she was a woman in the 15-16 hundreds, who had to be in charge. I mean it's 2021 right now and they say bad things about a started women now. So imagine how bad it was back then. And now one article I read this is the same one that I said was my favorite. It mentioned something that Elizabeth had written in her letter to a squatter on her land and she said, do not think I shall leave you to enjoy it settling illegally on that land. You will find a man in me, which could be writing to tell a dirty way, but we're going to see if I pass that. Cuz we know what she meant was like, don't think you can Overlook me because I'm a woman. Then you made it back yet. There's a, there's a man in here. It seems like we can be fairly certain that back.
It would have made it here. It seems like
the devil very talked about it. It happened. It seems like we can be fairly certain that Bathory abused her servants and they also have instructed her head servants to do out punishments chicken as well. But those are the ones I like and put it up in 1602 a priest wrote a letter that discussed the excessive cruelty exhibited by Bathory and her husband's her husband, what were their servants? She's been born wealthy and privileged and it seemed like it wasn't terribly unusual to treat your servants, like crap at a time. It said that when her husband return from Battle for visits, he also taught Elizabeth like Battlefield torture techniques defend her right as a human. Yeah. But I also don't think that she was, as horrible as they're saying, I think she was an awful person who abused her servants, because she felt like I'm of noble blood, and I'm better than you. So, it's okay for me to tree.
And I no longer have a man in my life. So I have to stand up for myself because I seen the power. The other part of it is that she had The Misfortune of Being a powerful woman. Yeah. And they're powerful men. Did not like it, right? They wanted all the things she had, and they felt like they deserved it because they're men and she wasn't. So I really I really like how it turned out to be. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was interesting that you all have a lot of great ideas for Merch link, t-shirts and stuff. We're just trying to get our lives together. Really? Now that our kids are out of school, I think it's going to be a little easier to like, do more things together. I mean, so we do have every intention of we have some plans or March. I have an artist friend who was working on some things right now will keep you posted obviously as that comes up. I think I posted on Facebook or Instagram or both recently that we sort of had a day where we
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