For more than a dozen years, the Stack Overflow Podcast has been exploring what it means to be a developer and how the art and practice of software programming is changing our world. From Rails to React, from Java to Node.js, we host important conversations and fascinating guests that will help you understand how technology is made and where it’s headed. Hosted by Ben Popper, Cassidy Williams, and Ceora Ford, the Stack Overflow Podcast is your home for all things code.
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Eddie J. Soto
5 out of 5 stars
I love the vibes in Stack Overflow and the awesome guest!
Andrew McFarlane advice for individuals within the Web 2.0 industry trying to transition into Web 3.0 was welcoming. I think having an open mind and your personal mantra when venturing into the Web 3.0 space is great approach.
ASobering
5 out of 5 stars
Such a Great Resource! 🔥
Developers - meet your new favorite podcast! The Stack Overflow team has created an incredible resource for you with this show. Hear from industry experts as they discuss challenges, present solutions, and share their insights into what’s next in programming.
g-schro
5 out of 5 stars
Removal of preview talk at the start…
Good change. I like minimal music intro as well but this one isn’t too long. Overall a great podcast.
nbbnbbn
2 out of 5 stars
Host’s obsession with crypto / web3 is ruining the podcast
This podcast has gone downhill following the departure of previous hosts Paul and Sarah. Current host Ben Poppper’s constant evangelizing and drum beating for all things crypto / Web3 / blockchain is a distraction that has slowly but surely nudged me towards unsubscribing from this podcast. Initially interesting conversations are often inelegantly pulled towards theoretical web3 / blockchain applications despite the topic often having very little direct connection to these speculative and irrelevant tangents (often to the other hosts’ expressed dismay). The conversations would almost always benefit from staying on topic rather than veering hard into crypto-land.
RamdomAccessMemories
5 out of 5 stars
10/10, hip development show that inspires
Fun, light hearted show with lots of guests from the tech sphere . Very inspiring to hear a group of happy people talk about doing what they love for their careers
Ben Leggiero (Work 9)
2 out of 5 stars
Too much talk about cryptocurrencies
This all doesn't seem to fit the show very well; it's ostensibly a show about the kinds of problems that Stack Overflow solves. If someone goes onto Stack Overflow and asks a question about Ethereum or NFTs or similar topics, their question will be closed as off-topic. If the hosts of this podcast love this topic and want to talk about it, I think they should! But perhaps on a new show, maybe create an Ethereum Stack Exchange podcast. On the show they’ve recently been talking about Etherium NFTs a lot, and sometimes tangent into discussing cryptocurrencies like Dogecoin. These discussions don't involve any software engineering, nor development, nor coding; just Etherium NFTs, how to create and use them, what they are for, supply-and-demand, returns on investment, etc.
xlegoman
4 out of 5 stars
Entertaining; Only somewhat software related
I wouldn’t quite call this a “must listen for any programmer”. It has plenty of high level not quite development applies to anywhere content so non developers are probably welcome. Outside of that it is quite enjoyable and works as something you do not need to give 100% of you mental capacity to.
Rumboogy33
1 out of 5 stars
Ingomercial
This podcast is essentially an infomercial pretending to be useful content.
Step Z
2 out of 5 stars
Light on technical content, heavy on wokeness
They lost me when a host thought Java and JavaScript were the same thing. This show is okay to have on in the background if you can stand the obvious forced shoehorning in of left-wing political talking points.
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- The less JavaScript, the betterAstro is a site builder that lets you use the frontend tools you already love (React, Vue, Svelte, and more) to build content-rich, performant websites. Astro extracts your UI into smaller, isolated components (“islands”) and replaces unused JavaScript with lightweight HTML for faster loads and time-to-interactive (TTI). Ben and Nate explain why Astro’s compiler was written in Go (“seemed like fun”). To learn more about Astro, start with their docs or see what people are doing with the framework. Connect with Ben on LinkedIn, GitHub, or via his website. Connect with Nate on GitHub. Shoutout to Lifeboat badge winner Aurand for their answer to How to convert list to queue to achieve FIFO.0 comments0
- How chaos engineering preps developers for the ultimate game dayIn complex service-oriented architectures, failure can happen in individual servers and containers, then cascade through your system. Good engineering takes into account possible failures. But how do you test whether a solution actually mitigates failures without risking the ire of your customers? That’s where chaos engineering comes in, injecting failures and uncertainty into complex systems so your team can see where your architecture breaks. On this sponsored episode, our fourth in the series with Intuit, Ben and Ryan chat with Deepthi Panthula, Senior Product Manager, and Shan Anwar, Principal Software Engineer, both of Intuit about how use self-serve chaos engineering tools to control the blast radius of failures, how game day tests and drills keep their systems resilient, and how their investment in open-source software powers their program. Episode notes: Sometimes old practices work in new environments. The Intuit team uses Failure Mode Effect Analysis, (FMEA), a procedure developed by the US military in 1949, to ensure that their developers understand possible points of failure before code makes it to production. The team uses Litmus Chaos to inject failures into their Kubernetes-based system and power their chaos engineering efforts. It’s open source and maintained by Intuit and others. If you’ve been following this series, you’d know that Intuit is a big fan of open-source software. Special shout out to Argo Workflow, which makes their compute-intensive Kubernetes jobs work much smoother. Connect on LinkedIn with Deepthi Panthula and Zeeshan (Shan) Anwar. If you want to see what Stack Overflow users are saying about chaos engineering, check out Chaos engineering best practice , asked by User NingLee two years ago.1 comments1
- From your lips to AI’s earsIn a win for accessibility, GitHub Copilot now responds to voice commands, allowing developers to code using their voices. Speaking of accessibility, learn how Santa Monica Studio worked with disabled gamers and the community to build accessibility into God of War Ragnarök . The US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has determined that lab-grown meat is safe to eat. Looking for some high-quality entertainment content? Look no further than Simone Giertz’s YouTube channel, where she builds robots to (among other things) wash her hair and wake her up with a slap in the face. Blast from the past: Listen to our episode with MongoDB CTO Eliot Horowitz. Shoutout to Lifeboat badge winner ralf htp for their answer to How to listen for and react to Ace Editor change events.0 comments0
- How to build a universal computation machine with TetrisFirst, some self-administered back-patting for the Stack Overflow editorial team: great engineering blogs give tech companies an edge ( The New York Times says so). Hiring aside, engineering blogs are fresh sources of knowledge, insight, and entertainment for anyone working in tech. You can learn a lot from, for instance, blog posts that break down an outage or security incident and detail how engineers got things up and running again. One classic of the genre: Amazon’s explanation of how one engineer brought the internet to its knees. And here’s an example from our own blog. When you’ve finished catching up on the Stack Overflow blog, check out those from Netflix and Uber. Good news for late-night impulse shoppers: Instagram is removing the shopping tag from the home feed, reports The Verge . Is this a response to widespread user pushback, and does this herald the end of New Instagram? We can hope. Sony announces Project Leonardo, an accessibility controller kit for PS5. Did you know? Using only Tetris, you can build a machine capable of universal computation. Developer advocate Matt Kiernander is moving on to his next adventure. If you’re looking for a developer advocate or engineer, connect with him on LinkedIn or email him. One of Matt’s favorite conversations on the podcast was our episode with Mitchell Hashimoto , cofounder and CEO of HashiCorp. It’s worth a (re)listen.0 comments0
- How Intuit improves security, latency, and development velocity with a service meshAt an SaaS company like Intuit that has hundreds of services spread out across multiple products, maintaining development velocity at scale means baking some of the features that every service needs into the architecture of their systems. That’s where a service mesh comes in. It automatically adds features like observability, traffic management, and security to every service in the network without adding any code. In this sponsored episode of the podcast, we talk with Anil Attuluri, principal software engineer, and Yasen Simeonov, senior product manager, both of Intuit, about how their engineering organization uses a service mesh to solve problems, letting their engineers stay focused on writing business logic. Along the way, we discuss how the service mesh keeps all the financial data secure, how it moves network traffic to where it needs to go, and the open source software they’ve written on top of the mesh. Episode notes: For those looking to get the same service mesh capabilities as Intuit, check out Istio, a Cloud Native Computing Foundation project. In order to provide a better security posture for their products, each business case operates on a discrete network. But much of the Istio service mesh needs to discover services across all products. Enter Admiral, their open-sourced solution. When Intuit deploys a new service version, they can progressively scale the amount of traffic that hits it instead of the old version using Argo Rollouts. It’s better to find a bug in production on 1% of requests than 100%. If you want to learn more about what Intuit engineering is doing, check out their blog. Congrats to Great Question badge winner, HelpMeStackOverflowMyOnlyHope , for asking Detect whether input element is focused within ReactJS1 comments1
- Flake it till you make it - how to handle flaky testsThere is a ton of great research to be found on Prof. Kapfhammer's website, including: Flaky Tests : Finding and fixing unpredictable and harmful test cases Database Testing : Automatically testing relational database schemas Web Testing : Detecting and repairing poor responsive web page layout We've written a bit about how Stack Overflow is upping its unit testing game and how you can evaluate multiple assertions in a single test. Thanks to our lifeboat badge winner of the week, Survivor, for answering the question: Is it possible to find out if a value exists twice in an arraylist?1 comments1
- Commit to something big: all about monoreposJuri is currently Director of Developer Experience (Global) and Director of Engineering (Europe) at Nrwl, founded by former Googlers/Angular core team members Jeff Cross and Victor Savkin. Nrwl has compiled everything you need to know about monorepos, plus the tools to build them, here. Connect with Juri on LinkedIn or explore his website. Shoutout to Lifeboat badge winner penguin2718 for their answer to Storing loop output in a dataframe in R.1 comments1
- Taming multiple design system with a single pluginAny large organization with multiple products faces the challenge of keeping their brand identity unified without denying each product its own charisma. That’s where a design system can help developers avoid reinventing the wheel every time, say, a new button gets created On this sponsored episode of the podcast, we talk with Demian Borba, Principal Product Manager, and Kelvin Nguyen, Senior Engineering Manager, both of Intuit. We chat about how their design system is evolving into a platform, how AI keeps their brand consistent, and why a design system doesn’t have to solve every use case. Episode notes Treating a design system as a platform means providing a baseline of tokens—colors, typography, themes—and allowing developers to deviate so long as they use the right tokens. Alongside a company-wide push towards greater AI usage, Intuit’s design system team is beginning to leverage AI to help developers make better design decisions. As an example, they’re including typeahead functionality to suggest possible solutions to design decisions. The team is using a Figma plugin to manage a lot of the heavy lifting. Their presentation at Config 2022 built a lot of excitement for what’s possible. Congrats to RedVelvet, who won a great question badge for The most efficient way to remove first N elements in a list? Find Kelvin and Demian on Linkedin.1 comments1
- From CS side project to the C-suiteLogRocket helps software teams create better experiences through a combination of session replay, error tracking, and product analytics. LogRocket’s machine-learning layer, Galileo, cuts through the noise generated by conventional error monitoring and analytics tools to identify critical issues affecting users. LogRocket is hiring, so check out their open roles or connect with Matt Arbesfeld on LinkedIn. You can also give LogRocket a free trial.1 comments1
- Our favorite apps, books, and games of 2023Adobe closed out 2022 and celebrated 40 years with an employee-only Katy Perry concert. Related: Ceora makes the case for virtual concerts. DeepMind is teaching AI to play soccer, which naturally makes us think of QWOP. ICYMI: Ghost calls out Substack and Substack responds. BeReal is the iPhone app of the year. But not even Resident Youth Ceora knows anyone who actually uses it. Some 2023 recommendations from the team: Ceora recommends Realworld (not to be confused with BeReal), an app that guides you through tasks and decisions big and small, from deciding on health insurance to improving your credit. Cassidy recommends Bird by Bird: Some Instructions on Writing and Life , by Anne Lamott. Matt suggests fellow side hustlers check out The Freelance Manifesto: A Field Guide for the Modern Motion Designer by School of Motion founder Joey Korenman. Ben recommends Tomorrow, Tomorrow, and Tomorrow , a terrific novel about a love triangle between indie video game creators, especially fun if you grew up with Oregon Trail, Myst, and Super Mario.1 comments1
- The future of software engineering is powered by AIOps and open sourceOver the past five years, Intuit went through a total cloud transformation—they closed the data centers, built out a modern SaaS development environment, and got cloud native with foundational building blocks like containers and Kubernetes. Now they are looking to continue transforming into an AI-driven organization that leverages the data they have to make their customers’ lives easier. Along the way, they realized that their internal systems have the same requirements to leverage the data they have for AI-driven insights. Episode notes Wadher notes that Intuit uses development velocity, not developer velocity. The thinking is that an engineering org should focus on shipping products and features faster, not making individual devs more productive. No, the robots aren’t coming for your jobs. Wadher says their AI strategy relies on helping experts make better insights. The goal is to arm those experts, not replace them. In terms of sheer volume, the AI/ML program at Intuit is massive. They make 58 billion ML predictions daily, enable 730 million AI-driven customer interactions every year, and maintain over two million personalized AI models. Intuit’s not here to hoard secrets. They’ve outsourced their DevOps pipeline tool, Argo. They found that a lot of companies used it for AI and data pipelines, and have recently launched Numaproj, which open sources a lot of the tools and capabilities that they use internally. Congrats to Lifeboat badge winner Bill Karwin for their answer to Understanding MySQL licensing.1 comments1
- From life without parole to startup CTOIf you want to read more about Jessica, you can check out the blog we worked on together for the launch of our Overflow Offline initiative. If you've ever wondered what it's like learning to code from an XML file of raw Stack Overflow data, be sure to check this episode out. You can learn more about the Supreme Court case that led to Jessica's release here. Her company's mission is to build a better justice system from the inside, specifically by educating incarcerated individuals so they can teach the next generation and have valuable skills upon release. Read more about Unlocked Labs here. Our lifeboat badge of the week goes to mx0 for answering the question: How do you extract the 'src' attribute from an 'img' tag using Beautiful Soup? Follow Ben on Twitter and if you enjoy the show, be sure to leave us a rating and review.1 comments1
- Let's talk about our favorite terminal toolsYou can learn more about Anthony here. His favorite terminal tool at the moment is Warp, which describes itself as "a blazingly fast, Rust-based terminal reimagined from the ground up to work like a modern app." His personal website features a live chat function. Sometimes it's actually Tony, sometimes it's just a bot. No lifeboat badge today. We''ll be taking a break for the holidays and will resume episodes in 2023. Until then, enjoy the holidays.0 comments0
- An honest end-of-year rundownBen asks Matt to explain Mastodon to him like he’s five. Matt says the experience feels a lot like…LinkedIn? Matt explains that he took social media apps off his phone for a while…just to chill out. ( Ed. note, they're already back on.) We cover the latest AI to emerge that can write essays, jokes, and yes, some code. While everyone’s confused about the state of social media and AI chat, physicists have created a wormhole using a quantum computer. (Though it may have been a publicity stunt.) Follow Ben and Matt. Shout out to Lifeboat Badge winner ralf htp for their answer to the question ‘how to listen for and react to Ace Editor change events.’ Your answer has helped more than 20,000+ people, so rock on.1 comments1
- Talking about drag and drop tech stacks with Builder.io's Steve SewellSteve was working as an engineering manager at ShopStyle and found that an increasing amount of his team's time was spent working on custom requests from departments like marketing and sales. They tried moving to a headless CMS but the data and components couldn't keep up with ever evolving needs. They wanted a drag and drop system connected to their code, data, and components. This pain point inspired him strike out on his own to create a new product. The vision was a tool that would allow colleagues from across a company to make changes to web pages without requesting dev time, but would also ensure that any changes made would be up to the standards of the design department and not introduce errors that engineering would then have to fix. Hence, the company's pitch for a plug & play system that integrates with your existing sites & apps. It relies on a few key ideas: API-based infrastructure that is native to your tech stack Works with any frontend or backend Build with your own data, like product catalogs or customer data platforms, to create rich, dynamic experiences You can check it out for yourself over at Builder.io. Follow Steve on Twitter and TikTok where he breaks down websites and effects he finds interesting. Congrats to phoenisx for being awarded the Necromaner badge after answering the question: Property 'share' does not exist on type 'Navigator"?0 comments0
- The next step in ecommerce? Replatform with APIs and micro frontendsSPONSORED BY COMMERCE LAYER Around the world, billions of people can sell their wares online, in part thanks to solutions that handle the complexities of securely and reliably managing transactions. Businesses, large and small, can sell directly to customers. But a lot of these ecommerce services provide a heavier surface than many need by managing product catalogs and requiring inflexible interfaces. On this sponsored podcast episode, Ben and Ryan talk with Filippo Conforti, co-founder of Commerce Layer, an API-only ecommerce platform that focuses on the transaction engine. We talk about his early years building ecommerce at Italian luxury brands, the importance of front-ends (and micro-frontends) to ecom, and how milliseconds of page load speed can cost millions. Episode notes Conforti was the first Gucci employee building out their ecommerce, so he got to experience life in a fast-moving startup within a big brand. When he left five years later, the team had grown to around 100 people. The ecommerce space is crowded—one of Commerce Layer’s recent clients evaluated around 40 other platforms—but Conforti thinks Commerce Layer stands out by making any web page a shoppable experience. Conforti thinks composable commerce back ends that neglect the front end neutralize the benefits. Commerce Layer provides micro-frontends—standard web components that you can inject into any web page to create shoppable experiences. Getting your ecommerce platform as close to your customer makes real monetary difference. A report from Deloitte finds that a 100ms response time increase on mobile translates to an 8% increase in the conversion rate. Thanks to Mitch, today’s Lifeboat badge winner, for their answer to the question, How to get all weekends within a date range in C#?1 comments1
- Ready to optimize your JavaScript with Rust?Webpack has been king for several years. Vercel wants folks to embrace Turbopack, but their claims about speed raised a lot of backlash after it was first announced. Lee explains why he thinks the Rust-based approach will ultimately be a big benefit to developers and how organizations who are deeply ingrained with existing tools can safely and incrementally migrate to what is, for now, a very Alpha and experimental release. We go over the routing and rendering updates in Next.JS 13, exploring where it might offer developers more flexibility and the ability to use React server components to ship less, maybe a lot less, JavaScript. As Lee says in the episode: “So to your point about wanting to ship less JavaScript, that was a kinda fundamental architectural decision of where we headed with the app directory. And the core of this is because it's built on React server components. The key thing with React server components is that as your application grows in size from one component to a hundred thousand components, the amount of client-side JavaScript you send can be exactly the same. It can be constant because you can render every single component on the server. And that's a lot different from the world of React applications today, where every new component you add for data fetching or just putting some HTML on the screen also adds additional client-side JavaScript. So this is kind of inverting the default, back from the client to be server first. Now, of course, we still love client-side interactivity that React provides making really interactive and rich UI experiences, but the default for data fetching or just getting HTML to the browser happens from the server, and that's gonna help us reduce the amount of JavaScript.” You can learn more about Lee on his website, LinkedIn, and Twitter.1 comments1
- The tech to build in a crypto winterYou can learn more about Andrew, from building out a telco in Canada to cyber security at Deloitte, on his LinkedIn. Validation Cloud bills itself as the world’s fastest node infrastructure and cites networks like Bitcoin, Ethereum, and Binance as clients it supports. Learn more at the company’s website here. Shout out to this week’s lifeboat badge winner, Derek, for helping answer the question: How do you open the file chooser in an Android app using Kotlin?1 comments1
- Taking stock of the crypto crash and tech turbulenceData show's Silicon Valley's share of new startup funding deals dropped below 20% for the first time. What does it mean to experiment with big changes to an engineering org, in public and in real time? SBF would like the chance to explain himself. Today's lifeboat badge goes to CodeCaster for explaining: What is E in floating point?0 comments0
- Talking UX philosophies and deployment best practices with Patreon's VP of EngineeringSrivastava reflects on his upbringing in India, learning to write Assembly, and going to Stanford University to complete his Ph.D in computer science. He shares his early career experiences at big tech names like Yahoo!, Google, Twitter, and Google. The group reflects on some of the engineering challenges at Patreon including technical debt, migrations to open source services, and troubleshooting bugs. Srivastava walks us all through upcoming product features that his engineering team is working to implement. Andy wins a Lifeboat Badge for answering this question about a list of all tags on Stack Overflow. Follow Ben, Matt, Cassidy, and Utkarsh.0 comments0
- Here’s what it’s like to develop VR at MetaCami and Cassidy take us down memory lane, sharing how they got into computer science together, hosted a web series (and still podcast together sometimes), and overlapped at two jobs together. We discuss the technologies being used to build in/for the Metaverse like Horizon Workroom, Presence Platform, Insights SDK, and of course, React. Cami shares how object and scene recognition work in VR. Cami reveals a family secret — so listen up if you want to know how to beat Cassidy at board games. Blackbishop wins the Illuminator Badge for answering and editing 500 different questions on Stack Overflow. Follow Ben, Matt, Cassidy, and Cami. We’re taking a break for the Thanksgiving holiday so no podcast this Friday…have a good one, and see you next week.1 comments1
- Cloudy with a chance of… the state of cloud in 2022SPONSORED BY PLURALSIGHT Early in the days of high-traffic web pages and apps, any engineer operating the infrastructure would have a server room where one or more machines served that app to the world. They named their servers lovingly, took pictures, and watched them grow. The servers were pets. But since the rise of public cloud and infrastructure as code, servers have become cattle—you have as many as you need at any given time and don’t feel personally attached to any given one. And as more and more organizations find their way to the cloud, more and more engineers need to figure out how to herd cattle instead of feed pets. Show notes Gartner forecasts that around $500 billion will be spent worldwide on end user cloud computing during 2022. Firment says that’s only 25% of IT budgets today, but he expects it to grow to 65% by 2025. Don’t doubt the power of your people. Gartner estimates that 50% of all cloud IT migration projects are delayed up to two years simply because of the lack of skills. Pluralsight just published its State of the Cloud report. 75% of of all leaders want to build new products and services in the cloud, but only 8% of the technologists have the experience to actually work with cloud related tools. Today we’re highlighting a Great Question badge winner—a question with a score of 100 or more—awarded to Logan Besecker for their question: How do you cache an image in JavaScript? Want to start earning your cloud certificates? Head over to Pluralsight. Connect with Ben or Ryan on Twitter. Find Drew on LinkedIn.0 comments0
- The creator of Homebrew has a plan to fix the funding problem in open sourceOver the years Homebrew, an open source package manager, has emerged as the project with the greatest number of individual contributors. Despite all that, it’s creator Max Howell, couldn’t make a living off the occasional charity of the millions of people who used the software he built. This XKCD cartoon is probably the most frequently repeated joke on the podcast over the last three years. While he is not a crypto bull, Max was inspired with a solution for the open source funding dilemma by his efforts to buy and sell an NFT. A contract written in code and shared in public enforced a rule sending a portion of his proceeds to the digital objects original creator. What if the same funding mechanism could be applied to open source projects? In March of 2022, Max and his co-founder launched Tea, a sort of spirtual successor to Homebrew. It has a lot of new features Max wanted in a package manager, plus a blockchain based approach to ensuring that creators, maintainers, and contributors of open source software can all get paid for their efforts. You can read Max’s launch post on Tea here and yes, of course there is a white paper. Follow him on Twitter here.1 comments1
- Want to work as a developer in Japan?Eric explains that great jobs are available for developers in Japan, but it can be tough to find these opportunities. We talk about interesting startups that are gaining traction in the Japanese tech sector (like Visual Alpha, Treasure Data, and Exawizards, to name a few examples of companies on the Japan Dev platform). Matt is impressed to learn Japan Dev generates an average of $60,000/month in revenue. Eric reflects on starting Japan Dev as a side project while he was employed full-time as an engineer. Eric elaborates on why he doesn’t think venture capital is a good fit for Japan Dev. Night owls unite! Eric says that his most productive hours are between midnight to 4AM. Follow Matt and Eric.2 comments2
- Another hard week in techEpisode notes: The team questions whether a print out of 60-90 days worth of code is the right benchmark for whether to lay someone off. Ben gives our podcast listeners a heads up to reports of repo jacking on GitHub (who got ahead of the issue quickly). We reflect on whether or not we’re okay with generative AI—and question tradeoffs between copyright and the ability for more people to create stuff. Ben discusses how his internet browser might be becoming his second brain. Matt and Cassidy get props from Ben for their rising popularity on Stack Overflow’s YouTube channel. Follow Ben, Matt, and Cassidy.1 comments1
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