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Hey, it's Ryan. Welcome to another weekend episode of The Daily stoic podcast. As you know, I'm a big reader, a physical books, but one of those questions I get all the time is how can I listen to the stoics? Are there any good, audio books of the studs? And the answer for the most part is know that there's not too many but my good friend Tim Ferriss a few years ago, put together an audio collection of seneca's letters who calls it. The Dow of Seneca which I thought is a really cool title cuz it sort of like in the surf Collective wisdom in the ways of Seneca and I shot him an email couple weeks ago. I said, hey could I run some excerpts from this would be a cool weekend upset for the daily, stoic podcast. And he said, yes, you said pick a few of your favorite letters and you're welcome to run them through today. We're running letter nine from senecas famous letters in this one, Seneca, right? About overcoming our troubles without being affected by them, and then he has one of I think the
Blinds in all of seneca's writings you says if you wish to be loved loved, it's referring to Friendship. He is writing about what true friendship is about how you want a friend that you're willing to work for to die for to sacrifice for. And he says that a wise man never values friendship above his own self, but that we retire to our inner self and yet friendship indisputable e makes life better, and I think nothing proves this more than you let her were talking about today because who was Seneca writing to his friend Lucille? And they have this multi-year philosophical dialogue with each other, that makes them both better. And that's what I'm going to give you today. And see what year is the audiobook of seneca's letter nine from the Dow of Seneca produced by Tim Ferriss. Get that PDF of this for free. If you go to Tim. Blog /, Seneca to check this out, your is Seneca on for Waze.
Sophie and friendship that have me giving you my interpretation of the stoics we get it today, straight from the horse's mouth or at least from somebody reading, what the horse said your Seneca on philosophy and friendship.
Letter 9 on philosophy and friendship.
You desire to know whether epicurus is right when in one of his letters, he rebukes those who hold that the wise man is self-sufficient, and for that reason does not stand in need friendship. This is the objection raised by Epicurious again, still bow and those who believe that the Supreme good is a soul, which is insensible to feel
We are bound to meet with a double meaning. If we try to express the Greek term, lack of feeling summarily in a single word, rendering it by the Latin word for it. May be understood in the meaning, the opposite to that, which we wish you to have what we mean to express is a soul, which rejects any sensation of evil, people will interpret, the idea, is that supposed to know even consider? Whether it is not better to say a soul that cannot be harmed or entirely beyond the realm of suffering. There, is this difference between ourselves and the other school. Our ideal wise man, feels his troubles, but overcome
They're wise man. Does not even feel them. But we in there like hold this idea that the wise man is self-sufficient. Nevertheless he desires, friends, neighbors and Associates, no matter how much he has sufficient unto himself and Mark how self-sufficient he is for all occasion. He can be content with a part of himself. If he loses a hand to disease or war or some accident puts up one or both of his eyes, he will be satisfied with what is left of pleasure in his main body as he took when it was sound. But while he does not find for these parts, if they are missing, he prefers not to lose them in this sentence. The wise man is self-sufficient that he can do without friends. Not that he desires to do without them.
What I say, I mean, this Ginger is the loss of a friend with equanimity.
But he never lacks read for it lies in his own control how soon he shall make good a loss Justice phidias if he loses a statue play carve another even. So our master in the art of making friendships can fill the place of a friend, he had lost if you ask how one can make oneself, a friend quickly? I will tell you provided. We are agreed that I may pay my debt at once and square the account. So far as this letter is concerned, he says
I can show you a filter compounded without drugs, herbes or any witches, incantation if you would be loved love
Now there is great pleasure, not only in maintaining old and established friendship, but also in beginning and acquiring new ones, there is the same difference between winning a new friend and having already won as there is between the farmer who sews and the farmer who reaps the philosopher of colors used to say, you just more pleasant to make them to keep a friend. As it is more pleasant to the artist to paint then to have finished painting.
When one is busy in absorbed in one's work, the very absorption of Fords great Delight. But when one has withdrawn one's hand from the completed Masterpiece, the pleasure is not so Keen henceforth. It is the fruits of his heart that he enjoys. It was the Arts L-3 enjoyed while he was painting. In the case of our children are young man, who deals the more abundant fruit, but their infancy was sweeter.
Let us now return to the question, the wise man, I say self-sufficient, though, he be nevertheless desires friends. If only for the purpose of practicing friendship in order that his Noble qualities may not lie, dormant. Not however, for the purpose mentioned, by epic stress in the letter quoted above
That there may be someone to sit by him when he is able to help him when he is in prison or in want.
But that he may have someone by who's sick bed, he himself. May sit someone a prisoner in hostile hands who he himself. May set free. He who regards himself as only an end to the pain friendships for this reason. Reckons, only the end will be like the beginning. He has made friends with one who might assist him out of bondage at the first battle of the chain, such a friend.
These are the so-called Fairweather friendships one who is chosen for the sake of utility will be satisfactory only so long, as he is useful and prosperous men are blockaded by troops of friends but those who have failed stand amid vast loneliness. Their friends clean from the very crisis which is the test. There were hints. Also we noticed that was many shameful cases of person to through fear or betray the beginning and the end cannot the harmonised. He who begins to be your friend because it pays will also cease because it pays
A man will be attracted by some reward. Offered in exchange for his friendship, if he be attracted by Alton friendship, other than friendship with cells.
How do I make a man? My friend in order to have someone for whom I may die, whom I may follow into Exile against his death and I stick my own life and pay the pledge to the friendship with you portrayed is a bargain and not a friendship, regards convenience only and looks to the results Beyond question, the feeling of a lover hasn't, it's something akin to Friendship one might call it friendship run mad. But though this is true, does anyone love for the sake of gain or promotion or renowned careless of all of the things Kindles, the sole desire for the beautiful object. Not without the hope of a return of the affection, got a quick message from one of our sponsors here and then we'll get right back to the show. Stay tuned.
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You may retort we are now discussing the question, whether friendship is to be cultivated for its own sake.
On the contrary, nothing more urgently requires demonstration for a friendship is to be sought for its own sake. He may seek it who is self-sufficient?
How did you ask, does he seek it?
Precisely as he seeks, an object of great Beauty not attracted to it, by desire. Forgetting. Do you get frightened by the instability of Fortune? One, who seeks friendship for favorable, a trip city of all.
The wise man is self-sufficient.
This spray is my dear Lucilla. Use his incorrectly explained by many for they would draw the wise, man from the world and forced him to dwell within his own skin. But we must Mark with care what the symptom signifies and how far it applies. The wise man is sufficient unto himself for a happy existence, but not for mere. Existence, or he needs many help towards mere existence, but for a happy existence, he needs only a sound and upright Soul one that despises Fortune.
I should like also to state to you one of the distinctions of Christopher's who declares that the wise man is in want of nothing. And yet need many things
On the other hand, he says, nothing is needed by the fool for, he does not understand how do you use anyting, but he is in want of everything. The wise man needs hands eyes and many things that are necessary for his daily use, but he is in want of nothing for one's implies a necessity. Nothing is necessary to the wise man, therefore, although he is self-sufficient of friends. He craves as many friends as possible. However, that he may live happily for, he will live happily even without friends to Supreme good calls for no practical aid from outside. It is developed at home and the rise is entirely within itself. If the good seeks, any portion of itself from without it begins to be subject to the play of Fortune.
people may say what sort of existence with the wise man, have if he be left friendless, when thrown into prison or when stranded in some foreign Nation or when delayed on a long Voyage or went out upon a lonely Shore,
His life will be like that of Jupiter and made the dissolution of the world when the gods are confounded together and nature, rest score space from her work, can retire into himself, give himself over to his own thoughts.
In some such way as this the stage will he will Retreat into himself and live with himself as long as he is allowed to order his Affairs. According to his judgment, he is self-sufficient and there is a wife, he is self-sufficient and brings of children. He is self-sufficient and yet could not live. If he had to live without the Society of mad natural promptings and not his own selfish, needs draw him into friendships for just as other things have for us on insurance attractiveness, so has friendship as we hate Solitude and crave society as nature draws men to each other. So, in this matter, also, which makes us desirous of French
Nevertheless, do the stage meal of his friends. Dearly Austin, comparing them with themselves and putting them ahead of himself yet. All the good will be limited to his own being and he will speak the word, which was spoken by the very still do epicurus criticizes in his letter, for still do after his country was captured and his children and his wife lost as he emerged from the general desolation alone and yet happy folk as follows to Demetrius called sacker of cities because of the destruction, he brought upon them an answer to the question, whether he had lost anything.
I have all my good with me.
There is a brave and stout hearted man for you the enemy Concord but still do Concord conqueror.
I have lost nothing, he forced to meet, you used to wonder whether he himself and Concord after all my goods are all with me. In other words, he deemed nothing, that might be taken from him to be a good.
We Marvel at certain animals because they can pass through fire and suffer, no bodily harm. But how much more marvelous is a man who has marched forth unhurt and unscathed Through Fire and sword and devastation.
Do you understand now, how much easier it is to conquer a whole tribe? Then, to conquer One, Man of Steel, do makes common ground with stoicism the stoic. Also can carry his good, unimpaired through cities that have been burned to ashes for he is self-sufficient, such all the bounds which sets to his own happiness.
But you must not think that our school loan, can utter noble words? Epicurus himself, the revealer of still bow, spoke similar language, put it down to my credit, do I have already wiped out my debt. The president he said
Whoever does not regard what he has as most ample wealth is unhappy, though he be Master of the whole world.
Or if the following seems to you a more suitable sprays for, we must try to render the meaning and not them their words.
A man May rule the world and still be unhappy. If he does not feel that he is supremely happy,
in order, however, that you may know that these sentiments are Universal suggested, of course by Nature, you will find in one of the comic poets this verse
Blessed is he who thinks himself on blast?
Or what does your condition matter if it is bad in your own eyes?
You may say what if Yonder man Rich by base means and Yonder man, Lord of many, but slave of more shall call themselves. Happy will their own opinion, makes him happy. It matters. Not what one says what one feels also. Not how one feels on one particular day, but how one feels at all times, there is no reason. However why you should fear that this great privilege will fall into unworthy hands? Only the wise man is pleased with his own.
Folly is ever troubled with weariness of itself.
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